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PETA is nothing short of a domestic terrorist organization. They have well known ties to both the Animal Liberation Front (ALF) and Earth Liberation Front (ELF). They've been linked to front rolling members of these organizations before and after they've committed crimes, such as bombing research labs and logging camps, threatening doctors and scientists, etc. etc.. PETA's vegetarian campaign coordinator Bruce Friedrich in 2001 said: "If we really believe that animals have the same right to be free from pain and suffering at our hands, then, of course, we're going to be blowing things up and smashing windows. For the record, I don't do this stuff, but I advocate it. I think it's a great way to bring about animal liberation, considering the level of suffering, the atrocities." PETA has never condemned, censured or apologized for his statement and even stood by Friedrich. They also spend more money on defending ALF/ELF members who've been arrested for bombing, threatening, physically assaulting people, etc. etc., then they have on the animals they supposedly work to protect. In fact, PETA kills about 85%+ of the animals that are put under their care to find other people's homes every year according to the records they give over to the Virginia Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services. http://www.petakillsanimals.com/ Yes, it's an anti-PETA site, but it has the VDACS documents; as of 2012, they have killed 29,398 animals, most of whom were perfectly adoptable. And yes, I'm very biased against PETA. A good friend of mine back in high school family had money issues back in 2003. His mother gave Wilhelm, the family's German Shepard, to PETA and was assured they'd find a good home. The money issues ended a few weeks later when a relative passed away suddenly and left them as his primary beneficiary, so she went to PETA to try to get him back and was informed that he was already in a home and they cannot do anything about it. A few days later, a woman who worked for PETA came over and told her that she was in the van that picked up her dog, and that she was the one who put Wilhelm down right after bringing him into the van. When she was asked why Wilhelm was put down, she simply stated "That's what they told me to do, put the animals down after we get them into the van." She even gave them a copy of the file they had for Wilhelm, which stated he was euthanized in the van after picking him up. I used to hang out at his place a lot... Wilhelm was always at the door when I got there to welcome me. I learned a lot about PETA after that, and the more I read, the more I grew to hate the group, and feel sorry for the people who donate to them thinking they are helping animals.

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Alright, well my brother advised me to check out PCpartpicker.com to check to see if everything meshed well together. Well, turns out that the original RAM that you advised was 1.6v, where as the processor is 1.5v, which you guys probably already know would be a bad idea. And the case wouldn't work out well as it doesn't have the openings for the USB 3.0 ports that the ASRocker motherboard has. Anyways, here's what I've got so far: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2a2cu I've also changed to a 750W power supply instead of the 600W, just in case I decide to expand later on.

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWi...Number=31770328 This is what I've got atm. Sadly, the RAM is sold out, and my bro has an extra Windows 8 code from a computer he bought and put another OS on it instead.

While I like the SSD card... I'd rather go with a cheaper regular HD. Anyone you advise? Otherwise I'm looking at this Toshiba one.

I have a mouse, and headphones, but I'll need a monitor and a keyboard; I was thinking of using my laptops Window 7, though from what I've read, I'll have to install Vista first then "upgrade" to Windows 7, and I've got the 2003 MO. But if I can't use my laptops Windows 7 version, I might just want to invest in purchasing one... hopefully with the new sales up, I'll be able too buy one cheap.

To cut it short, my current computer, a Qosmio laptop, is getting old and starting to have difficulties even after a lot of maintenance and re-installing windows/drivers. So, I'm looking to build a gaming desktop computer. I've got around $1,200 that I can spend on it, and with black Friday and cyber Monday coming up, I figure it's the best time to go looking for the parts. I'm not asking for sales, just asking at retail, what will work with $1,200, and I'll go find the sales. I'm looking for a computer that will be fast, but will be able to handle the new games that will be coming out this up-coming year, as well as the past. I know I'm cutting it close with it being this week, but I've been busy with personal and family stuff. Thank you ahead of time.

I've got into this weekend's beta too, can't wait.

I am not the smartest, but I've looked into it... and nothing you've posted would be any reason too raise premiums up 100% in three years. As well, life experience has nothing too do with this argument, and you don't have first hand knowledge. No, you didn't give me "defined detailed examples." You gave me "My wife works for AETNA and she's in the know" and then gave me common talking points that have been repeatedly debunked by common sense, economists, experts and former health insurance employee's who know how these companies operate, and showed that nothing the ACA requires would've forced health insurance companies too raise their premiums. Lol, this is projection at it's finest. Your evidence to support your argument is 'my wife works at' "one of the biggest health care companies in the world", and it's very convenient how everything she's told you, matches up too what you believe. Yet when provided with common sense logic that nothing should've upped premiums 100% as well as someone else who's dealing with the same exact issues, instead of disproving, you simply make an ad homenimum too distract from the argument. As for my aunt's work place, it's one of the biggest in the South East, and while not as big as your wife's, it still has too do the exact same things as her company. And no, we went out too dinner and she loves too talk about what she does and how things are, she's very proud of her work. Premier provides it's employees with it's own health insurance, as in the company created and runs it's own policy, not a policy bought from another company; as well it deals heavily with health insurance. They've upped their policies too match the ACA; and their cooperation with other companies, a number of whom also happen too be insurance companies, has given them access too information relevant to their ACA changes. Lol, sorry buddy, but the argument "Mine is bigger thus it is better" is a strawman. They have too abide by the same rules and standards, yet everyone has raised their premiums up at ridiculous rates. I called bullshit on it, and the only thing you've brought in too disprove said bullshit, is the "my wife works there" argument. We're not talking about political candidates, we're talking about when the Tea Party was founded... before they entered the political ring. They started doing rallies in 2009 shortly after Obama came into office, and a large number of Tea Partiers were being bussed between states too these rallies, having food and lodging's being paid for by the Tea Party... who has again, admitted too receiving huge amounts of money from the Koch brothers. And their politicians have actively sought too reduce taxes on massive corporations, people making a $1 million+ a year, and my favorite, reducing regulations on corporations. Wisconsin is the poster child of what the Tea Party is all about these days. Not going after the banks or bankers, they protect them now. You're right, this is the opinion section, but I've posted common sense and information I've obtained from someone who is dealing first hand with the ACA... and the only thing you've been capable of is making ad hominem attacks. I still love ya JP, but you've bullshitted this entire conversation! Especially the part about the Tea Party and your first hand information... which is funny how my first hand information is not as good as yours... simply because yours is bigger then mine.

I love you too bro, but I don't need the tinfoil hat. How do you think the Tea Party was able too afford those fancy charter buses that bussed Tea Partiers from rally too rally within days of becoming official? Or all that free food? Or the money and legal expertise too back them on getting permits in so many states too hold these rallies? The Tea Party already admits too the fact that they receive a TON of money from the Koch brothers! It's not a secret that since the beginning, the group was co-opted by the Koch's. But, if you wish to disagress, then do me a favor and actually post something too disprove what I've said. Lol, sorry buddy, but once again, you are wrong. Do you really think that just because the kids stay on daddy and mommy's health insurance for another five years, that means the health insurance HAS too increase premiums for everyone? How does that even make sense? Why do they have too charge more for a 26 year old who's still living at home or is off at college, then a 21 year old in the same circumstance? Not too mention why is it that your premium, which does not have a 26 year old, has too go up too support another person's premium? No JP, regardless of what you claim, or what your wife supposedly knows, you actually don't know what you're talking about. Because NOTHING you posted, should've upped EVERYONE'S premium. This is clear evidence of PRICE GOUGING. Oh, and if you want to play the whole "my wife is in the know", my aunt is high ranking at Premier Healthcare Alliance, not as big as AETNA, but she has the same access too the information that your wife also has. Very interesting how she told me that Premier, which has also increased their premiums, didn't need too do so. And has even stated that once fully implemented and more people start enrolling, prices will drop. Lol... can you point where I said or even implied that the government will be insuring people? Nope, did not say it, and you still don't know what you're talking about. While yes, companies have updated their policies, their updated policies DID NOT require upping premiums by 100% in the last three years. Ummm... no, sorry, but the prices didn't need to be increased by 100%, in fact, the Kaiser Foundation, who's the third biggest, has released reports showing that once fully implemented, prices will be going even lower then what the CBO projected. Yet for some reason, the prices are 100% of what they were three years ago, none of that makes any sense at all... unless there's price gouging going on. Lol, you didn't even bother to try to read what I've said... have you? I stated that the Democrats allowed Republicans too re-write certain portions, to ensure that there would not be a filibuster that Republicans were threatening too do before certain parts, such as the public option, were written out, which also won over the two independents and more conservative members of Democrats. I never said anything about changing their votes, I stated it was too stop a Senate filibuster. Please actually READ what is said, and not what you want me to say. I am the one fact checked and reality checked on this one.

I love this comment, it just serves to show that you won't quote because then you can twist and remove the words I've said too fit into what you want me too say, not what I have said, hence why you won't quote me directly. It's a very common tactic of those with very weak arguments. I honestly don't care if you have any respect for me, I don't come here too gain anyone's respect. Just as how you don't care about what I think. I have attacked what other people have said... that is what we call DEBATING! I haven't attacked JP personally, nor have I attacked you at all. You can go ahead and do ad hominem all you want, because that's the ONLY thing you really got. Actually... most Americans don't understand the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. But this isn't due too a lack of intelligence, but because of the massive amount of misinformation that's out there. One of those is the claim that JP used, which was that the ACA was responsible for the hike in his premiums... before the ACA even took full effect. As well, lets face it, most Americans are sorely misinformed about pretty much everything out there. Lets see, what other things did the majority of Americans have been wrong about: The Patriot Act, Iraq War, Guantanamo Bay, torture; I can keep going, but these were all things that the American people supported... and turned out to be WRONG. So if pointing out when people are wrong, is insulting too you, then what's with the double standard you have going on here right now? Well, if they did understand it, then they'd know that the ACA is not responsible for any premium hikes when it had yet too take affect. Nor would they claim that it's "government takeover"; or it'll kill mom and pop stores. There's a lot more of misinformation out there, but I'm just giving you examples. I believe I called them "stooges of corporations"... and that I didn't just call them that, I explained WHY I called them that. Being front rolled by the Koch brothers, which the Tea Party admits too it from day one. Not to mention that the majority of funding that many Tea Party politicians get is from "dark money", aka money from super pac's with known ties too multi-million/billionaires, very few Tea Party politicians actually have raised funds from the average American people. Though this is true as well for many Democrats. As well as the fact that in every state that the Tea Party has taken over, they've lowered taxes and regulations on corporations, like for instance Wisconsin. And they certainly love getting involved in personal people's lives yet at the same time, complain about "big government". But kudos too you, ignoring what I've said, so you can replace it with what you wanted me too say... Because the flat tax you used as an example, was the flat income tax. Please stop changing your words and argument, people can easily go up and look too see what you've said. This is the only argument that I partially agree with. You are 100% right with your folder and the six-pack example, there's a flaw with this. But, like all flaws, it can be worked on, and improved if possible, or scrapped if all possible avenues looked into fail. But the idea that just because there are flaws in the idea that it should be abandoned, is an extremely illogical view point. As well, can you actually prove that this would be bad for mom and pop stores? Because I heard the same argument about the ACA... but how many mom and pop stores have more then 50 employee's? So if you'll excuse me, but I don't believe that a 5 cent national sales tax would really hurt the mom and pop stores as much as you're trying to play it off as. Not too mention that Sam's Club, Cost Co, Walmart, and all don't have too have a reason too buy even more, nor would they buy more items, they are a business, they aren't going too buy tons more then they can sell, that would hurt their bottom line. So they aren't going too buy up a ton of items just because of a new tax. Is it a "master solution"? No, it is not, I put an idea out there, which is far more then you've done. As well, that was based on boxes of product moved per year, not per item like I was pushing. Not too mention that there are over 300 million Americans, plus millions of illegal immigrants and hundreds of thousands of foreign tourists visiting the states at any one time. If 300 million Americans buy one item a day, that's $15 million dollars a day. That's $5.25 billion dollars a year... for 300 million people who buy just ONE item a day. Now, reality is, that people buy way more then one item a day, and the impact will be far greater then doing nothing. A world of a pain? Hardly, all I've seen so far is you picking and choosing certain words and phrases I've used, and then use them completely out of context. Then when you've been proven wrong, instead of admitting being wrong, you turn around and make a pathetic petty attack. Your argument lacks anything too back it up aside from your personal opinion, and ignoring facts that don't fit into said opinion. But I will thank you, you have shown me a very major flaw in my idea, and I'll work too find a way too fix that.

I came in here even though I knew I shouldn't have. But I'm restraining myself to countering one logical fallacy. It's incredibly ironic to attack people for not understanding laws or policies coming into place while simultaneously proposing a federal sales tax like it's an astonishing solution "the other side" would never do. Sales tax is state, not federal. In fact, various counties in certain states can have higher sales tax. But that is controlled by the state. While selective federal 'penalty' taxes exist on some products and services, cigarettes for example, an overreaching sales tax would be such hell to implement and even more hell to justify constitutionally or legally, especially when dealing with current policy makers, Right or Left wing. The positive tax revenue listed is qualified as a "Affirmative conclusion from a negative premise." In that any tax revenue proposed off this plan is inherently flawed. I direct my ire towards this specific part of your discussion because you are enacting this to somehow give legitimacy to your other arguments, and that's silly. When you create an argument build off its own strengths, don't redirect. Don't get me started on specifics. A flat tax based purely on volume of product sold? Oh lord, he doth not know what he propose. Proposeth? Propose. Actually, I attacked what he said, not JP himself. As well, I see you don't even understand what I said, so instead of trying too understand it, you place an extremely narrow minded personal view of what you think I said, which is the real logical fallacy here. No, I'm not "enacting" this too give legitimacy too my other arguments nor is it a categorical syllogism, it is a stand-alone argument about a way too deal with the debt, not the other argument which is about the ACA. I was actually supporting an idea that JP put forth, and then proposed another idea. Which you seem to have completely failed too grasp, but that is probably my fault for not explaining it properly. What I'm proposing adds a simple $.05 national sales tax too every item bought and sold, on top of the current general sales tax that states have, for the purpose of purely paying off the debt. And while yes, you can argue this is a "flat tax", it is not a flat tax... because flat tax, even in the way you are using the word at the end, refers too income. Can you point me too any laws that directly state only the states can pass a sale tax? Oh, you can't? Perhaps because there is no law that states only a state can impose a sales tax? Congress is justified in proposing a national sales tax through Article I, Section 8, Clause I of the US Constitution. As long as there is a legitimate reason behind the tax, then it is within the power of Congress to pass said tax. And will it be hell too pass? Of course! Because most Americans believe that we are being taxed the most then any other point in modern US history! Which is wrong, WWI, WWII and post WWII, Americans had too pay far more in taxes then present day Americans. Kirkdendall, I respect you for what you've done while in this unit. But, you are wrong.

Sorry O'Gara, but too be as respectful as possible, you are wrong. The Tea Party is nothing more then bought and paid for stooges of corporations; most notably the Koch Brothers... who literally front rolled and co-opted the movement from the start and still the biggest money behind the movement. The Tea Party will of course remove anyone, Republican or Democrat, who don't match their extremely partisan political view points and threaten anyone who doesn't tow the line with them... and that's why we are currently in the situation we find ourselves in. So define what's "non essential programs"? Because you ask 10 different people, they'll give you 10 different ideas of what is "non essential". I'm actually all for a tax too help pay for the debt off. Sadly, Republicans nor Tea Partier's will ever push this idea. In fact, I've been pushing too increase sales tax by $.05 for every item meant too pay off the debt. I can't find data on how many items are sold in a day (you think there would be something like that somewhere), but Walmart sales about 5.5 billion boxes of product a year; that's about 15 million boxes of product a day; if you just add $.05 per boxes(don't know how many items are in said boxes so we'll go with boxes), $750,000 a day will be made too pay down the debt, just imagine when you include ALL sales across the US. But as I said, neither Republicans or Tea Partier's will ever accept this... because they think they can fix everything by cutting everything they think is "unnecessary spending", increase military spending (even though the military themselves claim they don't need it) and my absolute favorite, refusal too increase taxes on businesses and people who are racking in massive amounts of money, but paying close too nothing. Sorry buddy, you, like most Americans, have no idea what you're talking about when it comes too health care or the ACA. The ACA is not nor was it directly responsible for the raise in prices or premiums in current health care coverage by PRIVATE companies. Those companies chose too raise their premiums/prices not too cover premiums of new people (why would they need too increase premiums of current holders when they are PAYING for their own plans?)... because the ACA did not have people signing up until a few days ago in 10/1/2013, but so they can increase their bottom line. As well, with the increase of people covered by health insurance will lead too a decrease in medical prices and health insurance. Why? Because the current excuse for the insane prices in medicine is the claim that people use the emergency room and run too never pay; and the prices in health insurance will drop because the more people who get coverage, the more money is available too cover people, with more people in there, prices will go down. Also, the ACA had much better coverage in the original bill that was introduced... until Republicans were allowed too re-write certain portions of it, like removing a government option, in order to get them to not filibuster it to death in the Senate. As well, instead of trying too "fine tune" the bill, which is generally what happens after issues arise with the bill, they've done nothing but make extremely pathetic grandstanding trying too repeal it, and any flaws in the bill, they've written off as a reason why it needs too be repealed. But in the end, this entire situation is due too the hard core right wing Republican partisan politics. Republicans chose too play the game chicken... and they got hit by the car. There was absolutely no logical reason too hold the government hostage because of the ACA. I respect ya JP, hence why I stopped calling you Ogi.

Thank you everyone!

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