How to deal with Lifetime Freeloaders

[J. Hill]

found it > WRITTEN BY A 21 YEAR OLD FEMALE Wow, this girl has a great plan! Love the last thing she would do the best.

This was written by a 21 yr old female who gets it. It's her future she's worried about and this is how she feels about the social welfare big government state that she's being forced to live in! These solutions are just common sense in her opinion.

This was in the Waco Tribune Herald, Waco , TX , Nov 18, 2011

PUT ME IN CHARGE . . .

Put me in charge of food stamps. I'd get rid of Lone Star cards; no cash for Ding Dongs or Ho Ho's, just money for 50-pound bags of rice and beans, blocks of cheese and all the powdered milk you can haul away. If you want steak and frozen pizza, then get a job.

Put me in charge of Medicaid. The first thing I'd do is to get women Norplant birth control implants or tubal legations. Then, we'll test recipients for drugs, alcohol, and nicotine. If you want to reproduce or use drugs, alcohol, or smoke, then get a job.

Put me in charge of government housing. Ever live in a military barracks? You will maintain our property in a clean and good state of repair. Your home" will be subject to inspections anytime and possessions will be inventoried. If you want a plasma TV or Xbox 360, then get a job and your own place.

In addition, you will either present a check stub from a job each week or you will report to a "government" job. It may be cleaning the roadways of trash, painting and repairing public housing, whatever we find for you. We will sell your 22 inch rims and low profile tires and your blasting stereo and speakers and put that money toward the "common good.."

Before you write that I've violated someone's rights, realize that all of the above is voluntary. If you want our money, accept our rules. Before you say that this would be "demeaning" and ruin their "self esteem," consider that it wasn't that long ago that taking someone else's money for doing absolutely nothing was demeaning and lowered self esteem.

If we are expected to pay for other people's mistakes we should at least attempt to make them learn from their bad choices. The current system rewards them for continuing to make bad choices.

AND While you are on Gov't subsistence, you no longer can VOTE! Yes, that is correct. For you to vote would be a conflict of interest. You will voluntarily remove yourself from voting while you are receiving a Gov't welfare check. If you want to vote, then get a job.

Smart Woman. She should run for Office.

[Avila 1st MRB]

Wow, I can see both sides. I was in the military for 8 years but i think voting is a giving right to all citizens regardless of status.

[J. Hill]

The problem is, when you are on welfare, getting something for nothing, and eating better than our service people do, you will vote for the candidate who promises to give you more welfare so they can get elected. Thus the conflict of interest. People have no incentive to better themselves because they can sit on their lazy ass at home, get drunk, smoke dope, and watch TV all day and get paid for it. Meanwhile, our service members get grossly underpaid risking their lives to keep our country safe and that's not right. I have seen many young service members have to get food stamps so they can make ends meet and feed their families. This young woman has it wight, make them get off welfare and get a job. Don't make it easy for them.

[Watkis]

The problem is, when you are on welfare, getting something for nothing, and eating better than our service people do, you will vote for the candidate who promises to give you more welfare so they can get elected. Thus the conflict of interest.

The meat of this argument is that you basically want to take the right to vote away from the poor. Why stop at just welfare recipients? Why not just make it so that the top maybe 20% of the population are the only people that can vote? You know, since the poor don't know any better.

[J. Hill]

you seem to be missing the point. Welfare people vote for those that extend their welfare and benefits. it becomes a viscous cycle. Country gets deeper into debt supporting the LAZY who remain lazy instead of getting a job. Granted there are some who cannot work for one reason or another, but I cannot see a woman spitting out babies each year raking in 40 to 50k a year and living in a mansion. It happens. Take away their incentive to be freeloaders til it hurts and they will get real work.

[Avila 1st MRB]

Hmmm...

I agree with you J. Hill. I seen people take advantage of the system. I see people with new phones while I'm here barely able to pay my used phone and are/been on welfare. I get mad at all the injustice that I see but then I seen people that have to choose between their medication or food, when I was a Pharm Tech. I believe part of life is that we don't have to agree on everything but we can respect everyone. I think some people are going mad when you don't completely agree on a topic but I like to believe, that's what makes us unique. Everyone has different experiences. So that's why I believe everyone gets a vote. As society either we are going to rise or going to hell but together. So I might not agree completely but I understand. So brother express your opinion, that's what we fought for.

[J. Kirk]

There are exceptions for every rule. Is there people abusing the system? Yes. Are there people not abusing the system yes. The extreme of removing the right to vote is no different then when African Americans we're not able to, or even woman because they were lesser. As far as political debt goes u are just falling victim to another media sensation saying welfare recipients are the cause of the debt. Nothing to do with bailouts that bush or Obama have done. The ammount of money spent on our new public health system. The issue with America isn't the poor or the lazy it's the constant need to find something to blame. If we as a country spent 1/2 the time we spend on trying to find something new to be angry or pissed off at and started compromising finding a way to relate to someone who doesn't have the same opinion as you we might just might see what is actually happening around us.

[Avila 1st MRB]

I agree with kirk its a lot easier to blame someone else than ourselves. I am no better.

[J. Hill]

Those that are not able to work need help, and deserve it. I also agree that NOBODY should have to choose between food or medication. I used to have to use a local food bank because I did not have enough to make ends meet. I don't anymore. I have seen returning vets have no place to live and end up homeless. I have helped raise money for homes to be remodeled to house these vets and give them a place to live. I have seen old folks living on social security, which is not a handout, lose their home because they could not pay the taxes. This is also wrong. Then I have seen women with 5 kids from 5 different men collect welfare and laugh at people working hard just to make ends meet. Its not right. Its a viscous cycle that has to stop. When I was in Germany, those that collected money from the Government worked for the Government. I would see them pushing a wheeled barrel down the road and have a broom sweeping the streets along the curbs. They soon found regular jobs. We have become an entitlement country because we started to give people something for nothing. They feel that they are entitled to it and will bitch, moan, and complain if you try and stop it. Illegals come up here to America and get on these programs. They should not be allowed to. Its just my opinion, but I have seen where some of those who get their entitlement cut off have to get in their Mercedes and go find a job to continue their lifestyle.

[Beuting 1st MRB]

When I was in Germany, those that collected money from the Government worked for the Government.

This is only partly correct. The unemployed (if you are not self-employed tho) you'll receive a certain portion of your former salary from the government (60% or 67% with a child - "Arbeitslosengeld I")for a period depending on how long you've worked before. After this period you'll receive "Arbeitslosengeld II" wich is to cover your basic needs (This also includes healthcare). This is like help for unemployed and social welfare all in one. While receiving ALG II the government requires you to do everything to end up your neediness which means that the unemployed have to do any acceptable work as long as there is no physical or psychical inability to do that. if not the benefits will be reduced.

That so far in theory. But as you already described for the USA people here also have their tricks to avoid to fulfill their commitments. It's almost the same method. The thing here in Germany is that many jobs are underpayed. Working people need either several jobs or additional ALG II to cover their needs, so some smart asses just say "Hold on, why should i work at all if i ccan receive the same amount of money by doing nothing?" I really appreciate support for people in need not being able to work or earn too less to survive without support, but this attitude is just stupid.

Edited July 12, 2015 by Beuting 1st MRB

[Logue 1st MRB]

This would all be a far more straightforward argument if the jobs were there.

After WW2 both the US and UK were operating at near 100 percent employment. Employers actually had to compete to attract talent and keep people, offering them careers for life and a company that would look out for them.

Now we're awash with cheap foreign labour, allow companies to shift production overseas, allow uncompetitive, totalitarian nations to compete with us under the banner of free trade...

And the ones who win are the employers.

I think there should be a sort of civilian force with a military styled organisation where you're guaranteed work whether it be building dams or digging up roads. Let that be the welfare system, guaranteed employment if you're willing.

Edited December 8, 2015 by Logue 1st MRB

[Scinta]

whats this pish posh about taking away voting rights from the poor? nobody would benefit from that at all. If you think the homeless and welfare recipients are the problem you are the problem because you don't know the power of the TPP bill. So go ahead and pretend to think that corporations have nothing to do with people being homeless because having tax free companies will get us better jobs, not more jobs but better paying ones. Because people hate socialist programs but like the idea of social security......heres an idea how about putting a tax on guns? 5 dollars per gun bought could be put to a better gun program designed with the intention that the person wanting the gun does not want anything to do with it but hunt and home defense....but how? you could have a psychological evaluation every 10 years, you could have a better educated safety gun class that teaches people the power of giving and taking away life, you don't need to ban guns and you dont need a limit on assault weapons because most shootings occur with hunting rifles. so if say the 122 million people in the US paid 5 dollars per gun they bought lets just say that each of them just own 1 thats 160,000 million in taxes and I bet you don't even need all of that money for a better gun program. But I do agree the welfare system is full of parasites, maybe not all of them but people will always abuse the system whether it's morally right or wrong but I doubt this will be fixed ever because people are too divided on issues and cant reason things out like adults.