Kashmir- Before you support either side

[Mister WWII]

Kashmir is a region that has diverse terrain, mostly composed of Himalayas, and is a link from India to Afghanistan. The region is divided among three nations i.e. Indian Republic, Islamic Republic of Pakistan and Communist Republic(around 5% to 10%).

The word 'Kashmir' itself has a meaning. It is said by Hindu Myth that a sage desiccated the lake into two parts or lands.

The Early Society of Kashmir (Pre-Medieval) was progressive enough as it had women were given high ranks. Muslims didn't arrive by then, there were mostly Hindus or Buddhists. Kashmiri Hindus are mostly of Brahmanic or Priestly-Caste.

After Muslims came, 95% Hindu state became 85% Muslim State.

Coming to post 18th Century State, Kashmir was a Muslim Kingdom became weak and were defeated by a newly-formed faith- Sikh and so Kashmir became a Sikh Land and remained that way with later kings becoming Hindus until Independence of India in 1947 . Note: Kashmir already became a Muslim Majority State under a Sikh-Hindu kingdom.

 After Independence of India:

I guess India would've been just like any other African Republic if Brits didn't divide because Civil Riots became common Stuart Tanks roaming in Calcutta.

There were many states/provinces that weren't governed by the British Parliament but were princely states that were supposed to be allied with the English. When Britain left India, it divided India or British Raj into two parts, Hindu Majority yet Secular- Indian Republic and Muslim Majority Pakistani Islamic Republic. Britain gave the princely states three choices, join India/Pakistan or remain free. Muslim majority Hyderabad was wanting to join Pakistan but just Indian Police with Tommy Guns and Lee-Enfields annexed this landlocked princely state. 

Kashmiri King chose to be independent and India Agreed, but Majority didn't and hence Pashtun Tribe, Frontier Scouts and Pakistani Army attacked the land but were pushed back but not to Pakistani Soil, UN intervened and LOC was drawn.

In 1965 War, 'Operation Gibraltar'  was launched by Pak to invade and take over Kashmir but the plan's success was dependent only on the uprising of Kashmiri Muslims which didn't happen.

 

Kashmir was a beautiful, peaceful and magnificent land in 1960s and '70s.

Kashmir in '60s.

 

1st Indian PM, left,( A Kashmiri Hindu Himself) in Kashmir in '50s. Her daughter, Indira Gandhi, became the 3rd PM and was a staunch supporter of Thatcher Gov. and Soviet Union.

But thanks to support by USA and Pakistan towards Pashtun Mujahideen in Afghanistan in '80s, matters just worsened. Wahabbism was spread by Inter-S-Intel. and Muslims became radicunts.

 

In 1980s, Hindus were wiped out of Kashmir. The Then Governor of the state requested Centre to send Indian Army to tighten Kashmir in the hands.

Cases were of a Women's breast chopped, A lady forced to eat rice soaked with his Husband's blood and rapes and murders.

Ever Since, both countries have gained their supporters and enemies in this situation.

That's how Kashmir isn't what it was supposed to be or what it was. Military actions by either side aren't gonna help the situation, it needs diplomatic aid which might go against the Shimla Agreement.

PS: Not an Islamophobic

[MacArthur]

interesting read. Thanks.

[Marsden 1st MRB]

Also they make great yarn

[Mister WWII]

4 hours ago, MacArthur said:

interesting read. Thanks.

Thank You.

49 minutes ago, Marsden 1st MRB said:

Also they make great yarn

Yes, they do. The Kashmiris goes from town to town in India and sell the Kashmiri Pashimas and Dress. Kashmiri Dress

is loved by everyone throughout India.

[MacArthur]

So things are heating up between china and india? where is this headed? i'm waiting to see how it will play out.

[Scinta]

This region of the world has been well, been fought over since the ancient world. Specifically in the 1000s B.C. so both sides have legitimate claims on this region. This can only be settled on the sole basis that both countries can co exist  like they always have since. Only time will tell when they decide that greed is more important than global peace, lets hope they are smarter then that. 

Edited June 26, 2020 by Scinta 1st MRB
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[MacArthur]

"Only time will tell when they decide that greed is more important than global peace, lets hope they are smarter then that." Interesting perspective mate.

 

[Mister WWII]

Thank you for the replies, I was away. The region had been the centre of Silk Route where the Asia met with Central Asia or Kandahar Region. Ladakh region, though Muslim majority, has quite a well established Buddhist population who had always been pro-India. 

After 5 August, 2019 and a few months later, the Jammu & Kashmir state was divided into two Union Territories. The Separate flag and Autonomous status ceased to exist. The Insurgency mainly lies in the Beautiful Kashmir Valley, fueled by the APHurriyat Conference. 

The reason why I don't want the state to be handed over to Pakistan is because the region since the beginning was secular because of Sufi saints which preached secularism, now, most of them recognise themselves as Sunnis and a lot of them are intolerant towards the Non-believers(Unlike the old times) and Pakistani Army is a mujahid army.

If the state has to be granted independence, the leader should be a dictator, a good one, who would work and remain secular, like Omar Abdullah. But it's impossible, all the political parties of J-K is pro-Pakistan except National Conference and Apni Party. They oppose the the reallocation of Kashmiri Hindus who were kicked out in 1990 crisis or in 1990s Insurgency.

 

[Scinta]

Unfortunately I would rather see the region under a puppet regime under an Indian backed government then Pakistan or China, for two things. One is that China has rounded up Uighur Muslims into concentration camps so clearly China has a zero tolerance policy towards their Maoist beliefs and furthermore Communism has never really been gentile towards the rights of religions in any regard whatsoever. Secondly Pakistan is one of the worst countries to be in with it's Taliban insurgency and tribalism going on with the border of Afghanistan so in all of these things the region has always had problems with keeping the status quo. This is such a controversial issue because of the legality of all nations involved as I refer back to my previous statement. 

[Mister WWII]

I do wish for that to happen but it won't work out for long. Operation Ajax/Boot was successful because the Shah had supporters all over the country or the majority of land. Since we follow a democratic system where the people could know everything about their leaders, the people know that J&K National Conference, JKDLP or JK Worker's Party are Pro-Indian, though being separatist and Hurriyat Conference and JK Liberation Front are Pro-Pakistan. Note that both these political parties are accused with evidences that they incite the people to go to the 'other side of Kashmir' to train and carry out 'activities' on this side. Hizbul-e-Mujahideen is a militant group that wants Kashmir to join Pakistan.

If we had a neighbour like Greece or Azerbaijan or even Albania or B&Herzegovnia or any sort of peaceful and extremely secular and diverse nation with which we would've had warm relations, Kashmir would've not been such a complicated issue.

Jammu Division had always been peaceful and pro-Indian, except some Muslim Majority Districts like Rajouri-Poonch. 

Kashmiriyat means Secularism and peaceful living between communities. Is it alive? No, Indian National Congress planted this theory in every person's mind  that Jagmohan Malhotra wanted to defame Kashmiri Muslims so he told Pandits to evacuate Kashmir.  Sikhs were left out because in 1980s, there was Punjab Insurgency which Pakistan still uses and promotes Khalistan for Sikhs. Important thing to note is that only a minority Indian Sikhs want Khalistan while majority Pakistani Sikhs want Khalistan because of all the persecution thing.

Puppet Regime is a good idea, but will Pakistan or China allow that? China wants Kashmir to be under Pakistan's control so they can complete their CPEC without any interference.

Some Politicians may be secular but the common people or Kashmiri Muslims are not because there are mosques that teaches people to hate non-Muslims and generations that have seen gun firing and all violence.

 

Kashmir was never communal until 1920s. There was never any sort of serious insurgency till late 1980s, when there were Hindu-Muslim riots in Anantnaag and Riots in North Kashmir. 

Javed Mir, Srinagar, 1991. Probably gunned down later on. Indian forces found Ak-47s in houses for the 1st time.

I don't take Muslims, I am not Islamophobic, as the real owners of Kashmir. They are invaders, The muslims in India and Pakistan's Punjab and Sindh have Indian/Hindu roots while the Kashmiris have little Afghan and Hindu roots. There are books and evidences that the Afghan Kings converted Hundreds and Thousands of Hindus to Islam.

The complex Issue will not end until 2050s.